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    CNN
    SHOW: CNN WOLF BLITZER REPORTS 5:00 PM EST
    April 29, 2005 Friday

    Insurgents Set Off Numerous Bombs in Iraq; Remembering the Armenians
    Killed by Ottomans; Thirty Years After the Fall of Saigon

    by Judy Woodruff, Ryan Chilcote, Dana Bash, Carlos Watson, Miles
    O'Brien, Atika Shubert, Brian Todd, Lou Dobbs, Jason Carroll


    [parts omitted]

    A painful past, a present controversy. Why millions of people and
    some powerful nations are still embroiled in a dispute over what
    happened to the Armenians almost a century ago. That's coming up.

    WOODRUFF: This week, Armenians around the world mark the 90
    anniversary of a nightmare. They and many others call it genocide,
    but some powerful governments do not. Please note, the following
    story contains some pictures that may be disturbing to some viewers.

    CNN's Brian Todd looks at this long ago event that continues to stir
    deep emotion and deep controversy.

    (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

    BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): We shudder at images from
    Darfur, Sudan. Wince at memories of Rwanda. Look at grainy pictures
    of the Holocaust and say, never again. Almost forgotten is a brutal
    campaign nearly a century ago that historians say may not have been a
    model for those genocides, but certainly provided a rationale.

    CHARLES KING, AUTHOR "THE BLACK SEA: A HISTORY": The fact that a
    state could, in fact, carry this out under the eyes of the
    international community and get away with it became, in fact, a
    hallmark of what the 20th century, the tragic 20th century really was
    all about.

    TODD: Adolf Hitler himself was reported to have made a reference to
    it in 1939 as he prepared to invade Poland. Quoted as saying "Who
    after all speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

    April, 1915, the Ottoman Empire, covering the general area of what is
    now Turkey, is battling on two front in World War I, and is
    disintegrating in the process. Armenians, long part of that empire,
    are restless for independence and get encouragement from Russia. The
    Ottoman Turks, fearful of a Russian invasion on their eastern front,
    see the Russian/Armenian alliance as a huge threat and target the
    Armenian population inside their borders.

    HARUT SASSOUNIAN, EDITOR, "THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE": They embark on a
    submission plan by deporting the entire population closer to a little
    under 2 million Armenians in the empire into the deserts and by
    killing and starvation and disease.

    TODD: Between 1915 and 1923 Armenian leaders are rounded up in cities
    and executed. Villagers are uprooted en masse, driven south towards
    the deserts of what are now Syria and Iraq. Many shot or butchered
    outright by Turkish forces, but most die in forced marches. The
    numbers to this day still hotly in dispute. Armenians say 1.5 million
    were killed. The Turkish government says not more than 300,000
    perished, and the Armenians shouldn't count themselves as the only
    victims.

    SASSOUNIAN: In these few years, both sides suffered -- lost
    incredible number of people to war, to famine, to harsh climate.

    TODD: Objective historians say the Armenian death toll is likely
    between 600,000 and a million.

    (on camera): The fight is not only over numbers, but words. One word
    in particular. Neither the Turkish Government nor any American
    president, except Ronald Reagan, has ever called this event genocide.

    Harut Sassounian is the grandson of survivors.

    SASSOUNIAN: It's described as a deep wound and in the psyche of every
    Armenian that is not healing, is not going away. Because it's like an
    open wound as long as the denial is there.

    TODD: The U.S. Government says between 60,000 and 146,000 people have
    died in Darfur, Sudan over the past two years. And former Secretary
    of State Colin Powell called that a genocide. Historian Charles King
    believes what happened to the Armenians was genocide by any
    definition but...

    KING: Labeling it a genocide among politicians has a very severe
    political ramifications, particularly in terms of the U.S.
    relationship with Turkey, an important strategic partner in southeast
    Europe and the wider Middle East.

    TODD: As Armenians mark the 90th anniversary of their darkest days,
    many say all they want is acknowledgement. The Turks say they're
    willing to set up a commission to examine the historical record. Two
    countries with a closed border and no formal relations inching
    closer. A super power caught in the middle -- all haunted by a
    distant tragedy that we somehow never managed to learn from.

    Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

    (END VIDEOTAPE)

    WOODRUFF: Thank you, Brian. By the way, the Turkish government says
    close to a million Turks died in that region during World War I. As
    for current relations, Turkish officials tell CNN, although the
    border is closed, there are daily flights between Turkey and Armenia.
    And tens of thousands of Armenians, they say currently live and work
    inside Turkey.

    Coming up at the top of the hour, LOU DOBBS TONIGHT. Lou is standing
    by in New York with a preview. Hi there.

    LOU DOBBS, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, Judy. Thank you.
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