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GEORGIAN CHURCH LEADER SAYS ARMENIAN CATHOLICOS 'CLEVER, BUT NEEDS MORE EXPERIENCE'
Civil Georgia
June 20 2011
Georgia
>From left to right: Armenian Church leader Karekin II; President
Saakashvili and Patriarch of the Georgian Orthodox Church Ilia II in
Tbilisi, June 10. Photo: Armenian Church website.Head of the Georgian
Orthodox Church, Ilia II, indicated on June 19 that resolving dispute
with the Armenian Church, involving ownership of several churches
and legal status, would take more time.
Commenting on a recent visit to Georgia by the Armenian Catholicos,
Karekin II - the first one by the Armenian Church leader over a
century, Ilia II said in his Sunday sermon in the Holy Trinity
Cathedral in Tbilisi, that Karekin II was clever, but young, who
needed to gain more experience.
"He is young person and he probably still needs to gain more
experience," Ilia II said.
"He is a clever man, but he wants everything to be done fast, but it
does not work. I told him that I have a huge experience - 33 years
[of being the Patriarch], so calmness is the best [option]."
"We talked about relations. Armenians have a desire to open more
churches in Georgia. We offered them to have such an attitude: what
will be done here for the Armenian [churches], the same should be done
in Armenia [for the Georgian churches]. If the [Armenian] churches
open here, there [in Armenia] too Georgian churches should be opened.
We have agreed that in the future we will have a better cooperation,"
the Georgian Church leader said.
Ilia II said during the visit of the Armenian Catholicos, that the
legal status of the Georgian Church in Armenia should be the same
one that the Armenian Church would have in Georgia.
On June 19, Ilia II also said that the Georgian Church was "open"
for cooperation for everyone, but "the Georgian Church will not allow
putting our country and the nation in disadvantage."
"We have bilateral dialogue with the Roman Catholic Church, with
the Anglican Church and with various other [religious groups]; so
the Georgian Church is open; we are engaged in bilateral dialogue
with pleasure with various nations and we are not saying no to that,
but at the same time we should maintain and take care of our faith,
culture and spirituality," Ilia II, 78, said.
Karekin II, who will turn 60 this August and who became head of the
Armenian Church in 1999, visited Georgia on June 10-15.
One of the issues discussed during the meeting with Ilia II, as well
as during the talks with President Saakashvili was a disputed issue of
ownership of several churches. The Armenian Apostolic Church's main
concern remains the return of five churches in Tbilisi and one in
Akhaltsikhe. According to the U.S. State Department's annual report
on international religious freedom, the status of at least 30 other
churches claimed by the Armenian Apostolic Church remain disputed.
The Georgian Orthodox Church claims ownership over several medieval
churches in the province of Lori in northern Armenia, bordering with
Georgia, including the one in the village of Akhtala.
Another sticking point is the legal status of the Armenian Apostolic
Church in Georgia. In order to receive a legal status, religious
groups other than the Georgian Orthodox Church can be registered as
a noncommercial entity of private law. But these religious groups,
including the Armenian Apostolic Church and the Roman Catholic Church,
complain that such form of registration is depriving them the privilege
to be recognized officially as religions.
Civil Georgia
June 20 2011
Georgia
>From left to right: Armenian Church leader Karekin II; President
Saakashvili and Patriarch of the Georgian Orthodox Church Ilia II in
Tbilisi, June 10. Photo: Armenian Church website.Head of the Georgian
Orthodox Church, Ilia II, indicated on June 19 that resolving dispute
with the Armenian Church, involving ownership of several churches
and legal status, would take more time.
Commenting on a recent visit to Georgia by the Armenian Catholicos,
Karekin II - the first one by the Armenian Church leader over a
century, Ilia II said in his Sunday sermon in the Holy Trinity
Cathedral in Tbilisi, that Karekin II was clever, but young, who
needed to gain more experience.
"He is young person and he probably still needs to gain more
experience," Ilia II said.
"He is a clever man, but he wants everything to be done fast, but it
does not work. I told him that I have a huge experience - 33 years
[of being the Patriarch], so calmness is the best [option]."
"We talked about relations. Armenians have a desire to open more
churches in Georgia. We offered them to have such an attitude: what
will be done here for the Armenian [churches], the same should be done
in Armenia [for the Georgian churches]. If the [Armenian] churches
open here, there [in Armenia] too Georgian churches should be opened.
We have agreed that in the future we will have a better cooperation,"
the Georgian Church leader said.
Ilia II said during the visit of the Armenian Catholicos, that the
legal status of the Georgian Church in Armenia should be the same
one that the Armenian Church would have in Georgia.
On June 19, Ilia II also said that the Georgian Church was "open"
for cooperation for everyone, but "the Georgian Church will not allow
putting our country and the nation in disadvantage."
"We have bilateral dialogue with the Roman Catholic Church, with
the Anglican Church and with various other [religious groups]; so
the Georgian Church is open; we are engaged in bilateral dialogue
with pleasure with various nations and we are not saying no to that,
but at the same time we should maintain and take care of our faith,
culture and spirituality," Ilia II, 78, said.
Karekin II, who will turn 60 this August and who became head of the
Armenian Church in 1999, visited Georgia on June 10-15.
One of the issues discussed during the meeting with Ilia II, as well
as during the talks with President Saakashvili was a disputed issue of
ownership of several churches. The Armenian Apostolic Church's main
concern remains the return of five churches in Tbilisi and one in
Akhaltsikhe. According to the U.S. State Department's annual report
on international religious freedom, the status of at least 30 other
churches claimed by the Armenian Apostolic Church remain disputed.
The Georgian Orthodox Church claims ownership over several medieval
churches in the province of Lori in northern Armenia, bordering with
Georgia, including the one in the village of Akhtala.
Another sticking point is the legal status of the Armenian Apostolic
Church in Georgia. In order to receive a legal status, religious
groups other than the Georgian Orthodox Church can be registered as
a noncommercial entity of private law. But these religious groups,
including the Armenian Apostolic Church and the Roman Catholic Church,
complain that such form of registration is depriving them the privilege
to be recognized officially as religions.