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    NATIONAL SELF-DETERMINATION
    by Murray N. Rothbard

    Lew Rockwell, CA
    Jan 9 2007

    This article first appeared in the August 1990 issue of The
    Rothbard-Rockwell Report under the title "The Nationalities Question."

    Upon the collapse of centralizing totalitarian Communism in Eastern
    Europe and even the Soviet Union, long suppressed ethnic and
    nationality questions and conflicts have come rapidly to the fore.

    The crack-up of central control has revealed the hidden but still
    vibrant "deep structures" of ethnicity and nationality.

    To those of us who glory in ethnic diversity and yearn for national
    justice, all this is a wondrous development of what has previously
    lived only in fantasy or longing: it is a chance in Europe at long
    last, to begin to reverse the monstrous twin injustices of Sarajevo
    and Versailles. It is like being back in 1914 or 1919 again, with a
    chance for the map of Europe and near Asia to be righted and redrawn.

    For the first time since the end of World War II, or arguably since
    Versailles, the world is in a "revolutionary situation." There are
    many problems and costs to such a revolutionary situation, costs that
    are well-known and need not be repeated here; but there are also many
    benefits: currently, not only the collapse of Socialism-Communism,
    but the sense that all things are possible, and that justice may come
    at last to a long-suffering area of the world.

    Most Americans, however, are puzzled and disturbed rather than
    delighted at the re-emergence of the nationalities question. We
    can separate the worried or hostile reactions into four groups: (a)
    the average American; (b) Marxist-Leninists; (c) global democrats,
    which include the liberal and neoconservative wing of the ruling
    American Establishment; and (d) modal libertarians.

    HOSTILES: THE AVERAGE AMERICAN

    First, the average American is uncomprehending of the very problem.

    Why can't all these groups live-and-let-live, and join peacefully
    together as has the United States in its "melting pot" of varied
    immigrant groups? In the first place, this Pollyanna view of America
    overlooks the black question, which has scarcely settled into any
    melting pot, and is more mired in deep conflict now than at any
    time since the late nineteenth century. But even setting that aside
    no peaceful "melting pot" existed in the nineteenth century. From
    the 1830s until after World War I, northern, "Yankee," mainstream
    Protestants (with the exception of old-style Calvinists and high-church
    Lutherans) were captured by an aggressive and militant post-millennial
    pietism whose objective was to use government to stamp out "sin"
    (especially liquor and the Catholic Church), and who made the lives
    of Catholic and German Lutheran immigrants miserable and put them
    under constant attack for nearly a century. Finally, the pietists
    succeeded in imposing immigration restrictions and national origin
    quotas after World War I.

    But even setting all that aside, the United States of America was a
    unique development in the modern world: a roughly "empty" land (with
    the notable exception of American Indians), peopled by a large number
    of mainly European religious, ethnic, and national immigrant groups,
    within the framework of a mainly free, constitutional Republic under
    the rubric of English as the common, public language.

    Other nations in Europe and Asia developed very differently, often
    with native nationalities conquered and dominated by "imperial"
    nations. Instead of one public language, the oppressor nationalities
    invariably tried to obliterate the languages and even the names of
    conquered nationalities. One of the most moving cries during last
    year's implosion of Communism came from the suppressed Turkish minority
    in Bulgaria and the conquered "Moldavians" (i.e., Romanians) in Soviet
    Moldavia, grabbed from Romania after World War II: "give us our names
    back!" The Moldavians want to shed the hated Russian names imposed by
    the Soviet state, as well as the even more hated Cyrillic forced upon
    them in place of their Latin alphabet. And this national obliteration
    is not just a product of Communism. It is an age-old practice:
    "imperial" France still forbids the Celts of Brittany to name their
    children according to Celtic nomenclature; and the Turks, still not
    admitting their genocidal massacre of the Armenian minority during
    World War I, also refuse to acknowledge the very existence of their
    Kurdish minority, referring to them contemptuously as "mountain Turks."

    HOSTILES: THE MARXIST-LENINISTS

    The Marxist-Leninists are a dying breed, but it is fascinating to
    consider their now vanishing role on this issue. Their reputation as
    "anti-imperialists" has nothing to do with classical Marxism. In fact,
    Marx and Engels, consistent with their pro-modernizing approach,
    aggressively favored Western imperialism (especially that of the
    Prussians as against the hated Slavs). This stance accorded with
    their view that the faster capitalism and "modernization" advance,
    the sooner the "inevitable final stage" of history, the proletarian
    communist revolution, will take place.

    Lenin, however, pragmatically junked Marxism to side with the Third
    World and other peasantry, which he saw perceptively as far riper
    for revolution than the advanced capitalist nations. In practice,
    however, Leninism, while giving lip-service to the right of national
    self-determination (enshrined on paper in the Soviet Constitution but
    always ignored in practice), was a centralizing universalist creed
    transcending nationalities. More important, the actual Leninist cadre
    in every country were deracinated intellectuals (often colonials
    educated by Marxist-Leninist professors in the imperial centers
    of London, Paris, and Lisbon), who were generally ignorant of, and
    contemptuous or hostile toward, ethnicity, religion, and culture. The
    official compulsory atheism of Marxist-Leninists was only the most
    overt example of this hostility.

    This riding roughshod over national cultures in the name of
    universalist Leninist ideology is most starkly evident in the
    regimes of Africa. The Marxist centralizing governments of Africa are
    descendants of the regimes of Western imperialism established in the
    late nineteenth century.

    Britain, France, and Portugal marched into Africa and carved it up into
    provinces totally heedless and uncaring of the realities of the varied
    and highly diverse tribes which constituted the African polity. Many
    tribes, most of which hated each other's guts, and had nothing -
    neither culture, language, customs, nor tradition - in common, were
    coercively incorporated into "colonies" with arbitrary borders imposed
    by the imperial Western powers. In addition to this forced marriage,
    many of the artificial borders split tribal regions into two or more
    parts, so that tribesmen seasonally migrating into age-old occupied
    regions, found themselves stopped at the border and accused of being
    "illegal immigrants" or "aggressors."

    The tragedy of modern Africa is that the imperial powers did not
    simply withdraw and allow the natural tribal formation to resume
    their original occupation of the continent. Instead, the coercive
    centralizing regimes of these so-called "nations" were turned over
    to the deracinated Marxist intellectuals educated in the imperial
    capitals, who soon became a parasitic bureaucratic class taxing and
    oppressing the peaceful peasantry who constitute the bulk of the
    actual producers in Africa.

    HOSTILES: THE GLOBAL DEMOCRATS

    The most significant negative reaction to the recent eruption
    of the nationalities question is that of our "global democracy"
    Establishment. Theirs is the most significant because they constitute
    the dominant opinion-molding force in American life. Essentially theirs
    is a far more sophisticated version of the reaction of the average
    American. The concerns and demands of nationalities are dismissed as
    narrow, selfish, parochial, and even dangerously hostile per se and
    aggressive toward other nationalities. Above all, they interfere
    with the most sanctified value in the global-democratic canon:
    "the democratic process," which inherently means "majority rule,"
    albeit sometimes limited by the restraints of "human" or "minority"
    rights. Therefore, the ultimate curse leveled against nationalities
    and their demands is that they are perforce "undemocratic" and hence
    not suitable for the modern world.

    Thus, there is a deeper reason than realpolitik for the seemingly
    strange coolness of the Bush administration toward the heroic
    national independence movement of the Lithuanians and the other Baltic
    nations. It's not just that the United States is supposed to sacrifice
    them on the altar of "saving Gorby." For there was unalloyed joy at
    the liberating of Officially "Acredited Nations, such as Poland,
    Hungary, and Czechoslovakia, from Soviet and Communist yokes. But
    the Baltic nations, after all, are different: they are "part" of the
    Soviet Union, and therefore their unilateral secession, against the
    will of the majority of the USSR, becomes an affront to "democracy,"
    to "majority rule," and, last but far from least, to the unitary,
    centralizing nation-state that allegedly embodies the democratic ideal.

    The fact that the United States had never recognized the forcible
    incorporation of the Baltic nations into the USSR in 1940, is now
    demonstrated to be a Cold War sham to win the votes of East European
    ethnics living in the United States. For when push comes to shove,
    how can little parts of a great nation be permitted to secede in
    opposition to the "democratic will" of the larger nation? Not only the
    Bush and Establishment coolness toward the Baltics, but also their
    palpable relief when Gorby sent troops in to Azerbaijan, allegedly
    to stop Azeris and Armenians from killing each other, shows that far
    more is at stake here than helping Gorby against the Stalinists.

    For the U.S. global democrats had gotten worried that Gorby might
    fail to carry out the alleged fundamental responsibility of a great
    modernizing nation: to use force and violence to settle disputes
    among its various regions and nationalities. That is, in fact, to
    maintain the unitary force of the central "imperial" power against
    the nationalities within its periphery.

    The clinching argument of the global democrats in all this may be
    summed up as "after all, didn't Lincoln?" The most sanctified figure
    in American historiography is, by no accident, the Great Saint of
    centralizing "democracy" and the strong unitary nation-state: Abraham
    Lincoln. It is fascinating and no accident, and reveals the vital
    importance of history and of historical myth even in as amnesiac a
    nation as the United States, that a major reason that the neocons and
    their stooges have tried to read such paleocons as Mel Bradford and
    Tom Fleming out of the conservative movement is that they are highly
    critical of "honest Abe."

    And so didn't Lincoln use force and violence, and on a massive scale,
    on behalf of the mystique of the sacred "Union," to prevent the South
    from seceding? Indeed he did, and on the foundation of mass murder and
    oppression, Lincoln crushed the South and outlawed the very notion of
    secession (based on the highly plausible ground that since the separate
    states voluntarily entered the Union they should be allowed to leave).

    But not only that: for Lincoln created the monstrous unitary
    nation-state from which individual and local liberties have never
    recovered: e.g., the triumph of an all-powerful federal judiciary,
    Supreme Court, and national army; the overriding of the ancient
    Anglo-Saxon and libertarian right of habeas corpus by jailing
    dissidents against the war without trial; the establishment of
    martial rule; the suppression of freedom of the press; and the largely
    permanent establishment of conscription, the income tax, the pietist
    "sin" taxes against liquor and tobacco, the corrupt and cartelizing
    "partnership of government and industry" constituting massive
    subsidies to transcontinental railroads, and the protective tariff;
    the establishment of fiat money inflation through the greenbacks and
    getting off the gold standard; and the nationalization of the banking
    system through the national Banking Acts of 1863 and 1864.

    It is particularly fascinating that many conservative defenders of
    Lithuania and the other Baltic nations, try themselves to preserve
    the Lincoln myth and the general U.S. hostility to secession. They
    argue that since the Baltic states were forcibly incorporated by
    Stalin in 1940, they at least should be allowed to secede without
    the punishment of Lincoln-style repression!

    Let us set aside the fact that most of the other incorporations
    of nations into the Soviet Union were just as compulsory albeit
    more venerable: e.g., the Ukraine, Armenia, or Georgia in the
    early days of the Bolshevik Revolution. Let us instead cut to the
    heart of the democratic political theory that is involved in the
    pervasive hostility to secession. For democratic theory, including
    the theory of most "minarchist" laissez-faire libertarians, holds that
    government, whether broadly social-democratic or confined to police,
    defense and the judiciary, should be chosen by majority rule in free
    elections. Minority secession movements are accused of violating
    democratic majority rule. But the crucial and always unanswered
    question is: democratic rule over what geographical area?

    Let us put the problem another way: minarchist or democratic
    theory says that the State should have a monopoly of force in its
    territorial area. Let us agree for the sake of argument. But then
    the big unasked, and unanswered, question arises: what should be
    the territorial area? To paraphrase a favorite gambit of Ayn Rand's,
    the near-universal response is: Blankout!

    Nationalities secessionists are implicitly challenging this
    pervasive blankout as a serious response to their concerns. So far,
    whether under Lincoln or, to a much lesser extent under Gorby, their
    crucial question has been met only by violence and force majeure:
    by the unquestioned mystique of might-makes-right and the coercive
    unitary nation-state. But the inner logic of that mystique, and the
    basic logic of minarchist political theory, is at once simple and
    terrifying: unitary world "democratic" government. The minarchist
    argument against anarcho-capitalist libertarians is that there must
    be a single, overriding government agency with a monopoly force to
    settle disputes by coercion. OK, but in that case and by the very
    same logic shouldn't nation-states be replaced by a one-world monopoly
    government? Shouldn't unitary world government replace what has been
    properly termed our existing "international anarchy?"

    Minarchist libertarians and conservatives balk at the inner logic of
    world government for obvious reasons: for they fear correctly that
    world taxation and world socialization would totally and irreversibly
    suppress the liberty and property of Americans. But they remain
    trapped in the logic of their own position. Left-liberals, on the
    other hand, are happy to embrace this logic precisely because of
    this expected outcome. Even the democratic Establishment, however,
    hesitates at embracing the ultimate logical end of a single world
    democratic state, at least until they can be assured of controlling
    that monstrous entity.

    Short of the world State of their dreams, how does our global
    democratic Establishment deal with the crucial problem of where State
    boundaries should be? By sanctifying whatever State boundaries happen
    to exist at the time. Sanctifying status quo boundaries has been
    the axiom of the foreign policy of every U.S. administration since
    Woodrow Wilson, and of the League of Nations and its successor the
    United Nations, all based on the incoherent and disastrous concept of
    "collective security against aggression." It was that concept that
    underlay U.S. intervention in World Wars I and II, and in the Korean
    War: first we determine (often incorrectly) which is the "aggressor
    state," and then all nation-states are supposed to band together to
    combat, repel, and punish that aggression.

    The theoretical analogue of such a concert against "aggression"
    is held to be combating criminal action against individuals. A robs
    or murders B; the local police, appointed defenders of the right of
    person and property, leap to the defense of B and act to apprehend
    and punish A. In the same way, "peace-loving" nations are supposed
    to band together against "aggressor" nations or states. Hence, Harry
    Truman's otherwise mystifying insistence that the U.S. war against
    North Korea was not a war at all but a "police action."

    The deep flaw in all this is that when A robs or murders B, there is
    a general agreement that A is in the wrong, and that he has indeed
    aggressed against the person and just property rights of B. But when
    State A aggresses against the border of State B, often claiming that
    the border is unjust and the result of a previous aggression against
    country A decades before, how can we say a priori that State A is
    the aggressor and that we must dismiss its defense out of hand? Who
    says, and on what principle, that State B has the same moral right
    to all of its existing territory as individual B has to his life and
    property? And how can the two aggressions be equated when our global
    democrats refuse to come up with any principles or criteria whatsoever:
    except the unsatisfactory and absurd call for a world State or blind
    reliance upon the boundary status quo at any given moment?

    JUST BOUNDARIES AND NATIONAL SELF-DETERMINATION

    What, then, is the answer? What national boundaries can be considered
    as just? In the first place, it must be recognized that there are
    no just national boundaries per se; that real justice can only
    be founded on the property rights of individuals. If fifty people
    decided voluntarily to set up an organization for common services or
    self-defense of their persons and properties in a certain geographical
    area, then the boundaries of that association, based on the just
    property rights of the members, will also be just.

    National boundaries are only just insofar as they are based on
    voluntary consent and the property rights of their members or
    citizens. Just national boundaries are, then, at best derivative and
    not primary. How much more is this true of existing State boundaries
    which are, in greater or lesser degree, based on coercive expropriation
    of private property, or on a mixture of that with voluntary consent! In
    practice, the way to have such national boundaries as just as possible
    is to preserve and cherish the right of secession, the right of
    different regions, groups, or ethnic nationalities to get the blazes
    out of the larger entity, to set up their own independent nation. Only
    by boldly asserting the right of secession can the concept of national
    self-determination be anything more than a sham and a hoax.

    But wasn't the Wilsonian attempt to impose national self-determination
    and draw the map of Europe a disaster? And how!

    But the disaster was inevitable even assuming (incorrectly) good
    will on the part of Wilson and the Allies and ignoring the fact that
    national self-determination was a mask for their imperial ambitions.

    For by its nature, national self-determination cannot be imposed from
    without, by a foreign government entity, be it the United States or
    some world League.

    The whole point of national self-determination is to get top-down
    coercive power out of the picture and, for the use of force to devolve
    from the larger entity to more genuine natural and voluntary national
    entities. In short, to devolve power from the top downward.

    Imposing national self-determination from the outside makes matters
    worse and more coercive than ever. Moreover, getting the U.S. or other
    governments involved in every ethnic conflict throughout the globe
    maximizes, rather than minimizes, coercion, conflict, war, and mass
    murder. It drags the United States, as the great isolationist scholar
    Charles A. Beard once put it, into "perpetual war for perpetual peace."

    Referring back to political theory, since the nation-state has a
    monopoly of force in its territorial area, the one thing it must
    not do is ever try to exercise its force beyond its area, where it
    has no monopoly, because then a relatively peaceful "international
    anarchy" (where each State confines its power to its own geographical
    boundary) is replaced by an international Hobbesian chaos of war
    of all (governments) against all. In short, given the existence of
    nation-states, they should (a) never exercise their power beyond
    their territorial area (a foreign policy of "isolationism"), and (b)
    maintain the right of secession of groups or entities within their
    territorial area.

    The right of secession, if fearlessly upheld, implies also the right
    of one or more villages to secede even from its own ethnic nation, or,
    even, as Ludwig von Mises affirmed in his Nation, State, and Economy,
    the right of secession by each individual.

    If one deep flaw in the Wilsonian enterprise was its imposition of
    national self-determination from the outside, another was his total
    botch of redrawing the European map. It is difficult to believe
    that they could have done a worse job if the Versailles rulers had
    blindfolded themselves and put pins arbitrarily in a map of Europe
    to create new nations.

    Instead of self-determination for each nation, three officially
    designated Good Guy peoples (Poles, Czechs, and Serbs) were made
    masters over other nationalities who had hated their guts for
    centuries, often with good reason. That is, these three favored
    nationalities were not simply given ethnic national independence;
    instead, their boundaries were arbitrarily swollen so as to dominate
    other peoples officially designated as Bad Guys (or at best Who Cares
    Guys): the Poles ruling over Germans, Lithuanians (in the Lithuanian
    city of Vilnius/Vilna), Byelorussians, and Ukrainians; the Czechs
    ruling over Slovaks and Ukrainians (called "Carpatho-Ruthenians"); and
    the Serbs tyrannizing over Croats, Slovenes, Albanians, Hungarians,
    and Macedonians, in a geographical abortion called "Yugoslavia"
    (now at least in the process of falling apart).

    In addition, the Romanians were aggrandized at the expense of the
    Hungarians and Bulgarians. These three (or four if we include Romania)
    lopsided countries were also given the absurd and impossible task
    by the U.S. and the Western allies of keeping down permanently the
    two neighboring great "revisionist" powers and losers at Versailles:
    Germany and Russia. This imposed task led straight to World War II.

    In short, national self-determination must remain a moral principle
    and a beacon-light for all nations, and not be something to be imposed
    by outside governmental coercion.

    PARTITION AND REFERENDUM

    One practical way of implementing self-determination and the right
    of secession is the concept of a partition referendum in which each
    village or parish votes to decide whether to remain inside the existing
    national entity or to secede or join another such nation.

    The much-disputed area of Nagorno-Karabakh, for example, would
    undoubtedly vote overwhelmingly to leave the hated Azerbaijan Republic
    and join Armenia. But what of the fact that Nagorno-Karabakh is not
    contiguous with greater Armenia, that there is a sliver of ethnically
    Azeri land in-between? But surely good will on both sides (which of
    course is obviously non-existent at this point) could permit a free
    zone or free entry across that zone. Not only an airpath, but also
    a road corridor proved to be viable for decades after the explosive
    Berlin crisis.

    Partition referenda were used fitfully after World War I; the most
    renowned case was the separation of Northern Ireland from the rest
    of the country. Unfortunately, the British deliberately promised
    referendum for a second partition was never carried out by the British
    government. As a result, a large amount of Catholic territory in the
    north was forcibly incorporated into the Protestant state, and the
    existence of that Catholic minority, which undoubtedly would vote
    to join the South, has been responsible for the tragic and unending
    violence and bloodshed ever since. In short, a genuine partition
    based on referenda, would probably lop off from Northern Ireland the
    territories of counties Tyrone and Fermanagh (including the city of
    Derry) and South Down. Essentially, Northern Ireland would be much
    reduced in land area, and left with a belt around Belfast and county
    Antrim. The only substantial Catholic minority would then be in the
    Catholic section of Belfast.

    One criticism of partition by referendum is that parishes and villages
    are often mixed, so that there could not be a precise separation
    of the nationalities. In the vexed region of Transylvania, for
    example, Hungarian and Romanian villages are intermixed in the same
    region. No doubt; no one ever said that such referenda would provide
    a panacea. But the point is that at least the degree of voluntary
    choice would be enlarged and the amount of social and ethnic conflict
    minimized, and not much more can be achieved.

    (Transylvania, by the way, is largely Hungarian, especially the
    northern part, and the wrong done to Hungary after World War I should
    be rectified.)

    There is one criticism of the referendum approach that is far more
    cogent and troublesome. The Azeri claim to Nagorno-Karabakh rests
    on the thesis that, while the Armenians are now admittedly in the
    overwhelming majority, the region was, centuries ago, a center of
    Azeri culture. This claim from history may properly be dismissed as
    the dead hand of the past ruling the living, perhaps with the proviso
    that ancient Azeri shrines be protected under Azeri care.

    But more troubling is, say, the current situation in Estonia and
    Latvia, where the Soviets deliberately tried to swamp and destroy
    native culture and ethnic nationalism by shipping in a large number
    of Russians after World War II to work in the factories. In Latvia,
    the Russian minority is only slightly under 50 percent. Here, I believe
    the recency of this migration and its political nature tip the scales
    in favor of maintaining native nationalism. In fact, libertarians
    believe that everyone has the natural right to self-ownership and
    ownership of property, but that there is no such thing as a natural
    "right" to vote. Here, it would make sense not to allow Russians to
    vote in Latvia and Estonia, to treat them as guests or immigrants of
    indefinite duration, but not with the voting privileges of citizenship.

    THE HOSTILES: THE LIBERTARIANS

    Libertarians are, by and large, as fiercely opposed to ethnic
    nationalism as the global democrats, but for very different reasons.

    Libertarians are generally what might be called simplistic and
    "vulgar" individualists. A typical critique would run as follows:
    "There is no nation; there are only individuals. The nation is a
    collectivist and therefore pernicious concept. The concept of 'national
    self-determination' is fallacious, since only the individual has a
    'self.' Since the nation and the State are both collective concepts,
    both are pernicious and should be combated."

    The linguistic complaint may be dismissed quickly. Yes, of course,
    there is no national "self," we are using "self-determination" as a
    metaphor, and no one really thinks of a nation as an actual living
    entity with its own "self."

    More seriously, we must not fall into a nihilist trap. While
    only individuals exist, individuals do not exist as isolated and
    hermetically sealed atoms. Statists traditionally charge libertarians
    and individualists with being "atomistic individualists," and the
    charge, one hopes, has always been incorrect and misconceived.

    Individuals may be the only reality, but they influence each other,
    past and present, and all individuals grow up in a common culture
    and language. (This does not imply that they may not, as adults,
    rebel and challenge and exchange that culture for another.)

    While the State is a pernicious and coercive collectivist concept,
    the "nation" may be and generally is voluntary. The nation properly
    refers, not to the State, but to the entire web of culture, values,
    traditions, religion, and language in which the individuals of a
    society are raised. It is almost embarrassingly banal to emphasize
    that point, but apparently many libertarians aggressively overlook
    the obvious. Let us never forget the great libertarian Randolph
    Bourne's analysis of the crucial distinction between "the nation"
    (the land, the culture, the terrain, the people) and "the State"
    (the coercive apparatus of bureaucrats and politicians), and of his
    important conclusion that one may be a true patriot of one's nation
    or country while - and even for that very reason - opposing the State
    that rules over it.

    In addition, the libertarian, especially of the anarcho-capitalist
    wing, asserts that it makes no difference where the boundaries are,
    since in a perfect world all institutions and land areas would be
    private and there would be no national boundaries. Fine, but in the
    meantime, in the real world, in which language should the government
    courts hold their proceedings? What should be the language of signs
    on the government streets? Or the language of the government schools?

    In the real world, then, national self-determination is a vitally
    important matter in which libertarians should properly take sides.

    Finally, nationalism has its disadvantages for liberty, but also
    has its strengths, and libertarians should try to help tip it in the
    latter direction. If we were residents of Yugoslavia, for example,
    we should be agitating in favor of the right to secede from that
    swollen and misbegotten State of Croatia and Slovenia (that is,
    favoring their current nationalist movements), while opposing the
    desire of the Serb demagogue Slobodan Milosevic to cling to Serb
    domination over the Albanians in Kosovo or over the Hungarians in the
    Vojvodina (that is, opposing Great Serbian nationalism). There is,
    in short national liberation (good) versus national "imperialism"
    over other peoples (bad). Once we get over simplistic individualism,
    and this distinction should not be difficult to grasp.

    Murray N. Rothbard (1926-1995) was the author of Man, Economy, and
    State, Conceived in Liberty, What Has Government Done to Our Money,
    For a New Liberty, The Case Against the Fed, and many other books
    and articles. He was also the editor - with Lew Rockwell - of The
    Rothbard-Rockwell Report.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothb ard134.html
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