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    The Armenian Weekly On-Line
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    Armenian Weekly On-Line; Volume 73, Number 29; July 21, 2007

    Interviews


    1. An Interview with Ricardo Nuñéz M.
    The Chilean Senator who was instrumental in passing
    the Genocide Resolution tells the tale
    By Stephane Topalian
    Translated from the Spanish by Siran Tamakian

    2. An Interview with Congressman Adam Schiff
    By Khatchig Mouradian

    3. A Pomegranate Among Tomatoes
    Providence's Gallery Z Stands Out in the Art World for Armenian Artists
    By Andy Turpin

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    1. An Interview with Ricardo Nuñéz M.
    The Chilean Senator who was instrumental in passing
    the Genocide Resolution tells the tale

    By Stephane Topalian


    The following interview was conducted by e-mail in Spanish, and appears in
    print for the first time. The French version was posted on www.armenews.com.

    Stephane Topalian-The Senate has taken the initiative of voting on a motion
    in the Chilean senate on the Armenian genocide. Why have you taken this
    initiative and why now?
    Ricardo Nuñéz M.-Chile lived under a dictatorship-that of Pinochet. It
    suffered like the other countries of southern Latin America, through the
    systematic violation of human rights. This was a powerful reason for the
    Senate of Chile to have made the ethical decision recognizing the Armenian
    genocide. Also, given the increasing importance of the theme of human rights
    in the modern world, it was obviously our responsibility as a sovereign
    state and a democratically constructed institution to denounce human rights
    violations in whichever part of the world where people are or have been
    vulnerable to these violations, as was the case with the Armenians.

    S.T.-Did this unanimous decision surprise you? How do you explain it?
    R.N.M.-I cannot deny that the unanimous vote surprised me, especially
    because there are still members of the Chilean Senate who are tied to the
    dictatorial regime. However, I should say that the topic of human rights is
    especially sensitive in Chile, like in many other parts of the world. Our
    country, lead by the Consortium of Democratic Parties, which fought
    aggressively against the authoritarian regimen, has condemned in the United
    Nations all cases of genocide, ethnic cleansing, or any barbarity committed
    against the human race now or in the past. Consequently, we have tried to
    bring a sense of ethical and moral superiority to our international
    relations and to our vision of the contemporary world.
    Furthermore, the Chileans, especially those who were persecuted under
    Pinochet's regime, do not forget the immense solidarity that our fight
    received from all sides of the planet.

    S.T.-Is Chilean society generally aware of the Armenian genocide?
    R.N.M.-Truthfully, the Armenian genocide is still unknown to the majority of
    Chileans. Unlike in the Republic of Argentina, there is not a sufficient
    population of Armenian immigrants to have instilled public awareness about
    Armenia's case. The fact that this genocide, as the Armenians well know,
    occurred in the beginning of the 20th century further explains this
    ignorance because at that time Chile did not have a place in the
    international community and did not have a concern for problems occurring
    outside our borders. However, today the Chileans take on the profound impact
    of international conventions and trials that protect and condemn the
    violation of human rights.

    S.T.-Did the Chilean government pursue this recognition?
    R.N.M.-Unfortunately, the actions of governments do not always reflect the
    opinions of the people. I should, therefore, be very honest. I consider it
    unlikely that the Chilean government will join the resolution of the
    Subcommittee of the Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of the
    Minorities of the United Nations of 1985. However, I believe that the strong
    anger that the sovereign decision of the Chilean Senate, a democratically
    generated power that is independent of executive power, has aroused in
    Turkish authorities should be heard at some point by whoever conducts our
    foreign policy.

    S.T.-The Turkish government has declared its negative sentiments to its
    ambassador to Santiago, Osman Ulukan. Does the Senate believe that this
    recognition will have repercussions for relations between Chile and Turkey?
    R.N.M.-The resolution, which was sincerely and rightfully adopted by the
    Chilean Senate, does not intend to affect our relationship with Turkey. Nor
    does it intend to disrupt the economic relationship that we have pursued
    with this country. Chile respects the principle of self-determination of
    societies. Thus, the negative comments expressed to the ambassador of Turkey
    about our country seem excessive. Condemning any human rights violation has
    been a focal point that heightens international relations among all
    countries, governments and communities that understand that humanity
    requires definitively deserting any sign of barbarity that still may subsist
    or that is intended to be justified.

    Translated by Siran Tamakian
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    2. An Interview with Congressman Adam Schiff
    By Khatchig Mouradian

    On July 16, I flew to Washington to interview Congressmen leading the charge
    for Armenian genocide recognition. Below is the first of these interviews,
    with Congressman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), conducted on July 17.

    Khatchig Mouradian-You've been at the forefront of the work for the
    recognition of the Armenian genocide in the U.S. We now have a majority in
    the House supporting the Genocide Resolution. Where do we go from here?
    Adam Schiff-Well, we want to make sure that when we bring up the Genocide
    Resolution for a vote both in the House International Relations Committee
    and the Floor, we can win. We have almost the majority in the Committee and
    we have a bare majority in the House. We'd like to expand that. We'd like to
    get some measure of comfort both in the Committee and the House Floor. When
    the vote gets scheduled, you're going to see the efforts of the Turkish
    lobby doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and what that will mean is that there
    will be a major push to get people to kill the resolution, to find some
    rationale for why they were co-sponsors but they don't have to vote for it.
    In the committee, we have to anticipate attempts to amend the resolution in
    the way Turkey wants. So we have to make sure that the strength is going to
    persist in the wake of the onslaught that we can expect. Right now, we want
    to beef up those numbers even more, which also helps us make the case to the
    leadership and say, "We're ready, let's bring it up."

    K.M.-You mentioned the opposition, and we've been talking about the Turkish
    lobby and former Congressmen making millions of dollars campaigning against
    the resolution. What has been different in the way the Turkish lobby has
    operated this year?
    A.S.-This year, their efforts are far more intense than ever before, and I
    think it's because there's a new leadership in the House. The old
    leadership, [former Speaker] Dennis Hastert, had promised to bring up the
    resolution, and then reneged on that promise. I think the Turkish lobby felt
    safe under his Speakership. They still lobbied against it. I had amendments
    that I could offer to committees and the House Floor that the Speaker couldn't
    stop. So the Turkish lobby was still active and spending millions on
    Livingston and others. But now the campaign is far more intense because I
    think both sides realize that this is the key year. What gets done this year
    is likely to be repeated every year. If we succeed in recognizing the
    Armenian genocide this year, we'll succeed next year and the year after. It
    will become matter-of-fact-every year it's brought up and every year it
    passes. If we fail this year, then it's going to be more difficult to
    succeed next year or the year after. Once a precedent is set, it's very hard
    to change it. So I think all sides realize this is crunch time.

    K.M.-The decision to move the resolution to a vote rests on House Speaker
    Nancy Pelosi. How do you think the Armenian community can contribute to a
    positive decision by the Speaker?
    A.S.-I've had a number of meetings with the Speaker on this-and I don't
    speak for her, she speaks for herself-but she's always been very supportive
    of the Genocide Resolution, and that support continues, so I'm optimistic. I
    don't have a date to give you, and I can't promise anything 100 percent, but
    I'm optimistic. We're still working to show that the strength is there and
    that it will withstand the pressure when this is scheduled for a vote, but I
    think our leadership certainly recognizes the fact of the Armenian genocide.
    There is strong opposition from Turkey and from all the people that Turkey
    has hired. They are raining down on the leadership saying the world is going
    to come to an end if we recognize the murder of a million and a half people
    in the beginning of the last century. But I think the leadership can
    withstand that pressure. What can the community around the country do? You
    know, it can contact all the members of our leadership and thank them for
    their support of the Armenian Genocide Resolution, urge them to take it up
    for a vote soon. I think that kind of positive message is the best message
    because the leadership has always been supportive. And it's important for
    them to hear from the proponents because they will certainly hear from the
    opponents.

    K.M.-Why is it important for the United States to recognize a crime that
    took place in a different part of the world more than 90 years ago?
    A.S.-I think there are two reasons. Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel described
    it best when he said that denial is the final phase of genocide. And in that
    sense, the Armenian genocide continues. There is a victimization that
    continues to go on with the denial, and I think there's a moral obligation
    to set the record straight and not deny the loss, the pain, the grief that
    tremendous numbers of people have suffered due to this tragedy.
    Secondly, I think [failing to recognize it] undermines our credibility in
    America on some of the pivotal issues of the day, like the genocide going on
    in Darfur. How do we stand up and call the world's attention to the genocide
    in Darfur and have the kind of moral leadership we need to bring that to an
    end? Some will argue, "Well, sure, you'll recognize the genocide committed
    by the Sudanese government. They're weak. But when it comes to the murder of
    the Armenians, because Turkey is strong, you won't recognize the facts."
    What does that say? I don't think that's a position of great morality. I don't
    it's a position of great leadership and I think it undermines our
    credibility.

    K.M.-Tens of thousands watched the video of your debate with Secretary of
    State Condoleeza Rice on the Armenian genocide. Where do you think the
    administration really stands? Do you think there is the intention of finding
    some sort of resolution to this issue?
    A.S.-At this point I'd have to say no. I think that the Administration has
    just sort of dug its heels to oppose the genocide recognition. And I thought
    Secretary Rice's answers were deeply disappointing. I asked her a question
    about the facts, the historic facts, and she didn't answer. She doesn't have
    a question-no one can have a question about the historical facts. But the
    Administration has made a decision other administrations have made before:
    The expedient thing is not to offend an ally. And where they're coming from
    is, we don't have that many allies left, certainly not in the Muslim world.
    And I recognize that. I think it's important that we maintain an alliance
    with Turkey, but that alliance should not be at the cost of not speaking the
    truth about one of the most savage crimes of the last century. And I don't
    think it does much for our alliance, or our friendship, to stick our head in
    the sand.
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    3. A Pomegranate Among Tomatoes
    Providence's Gallery Z Stands Out in the Art World for Armenian Artists
    By Andy Turpin

    PROVIDENCE, R.I. (A.W.)-Amid the quaint and chic trattorias that line the
    riverwalk in Providence's "Little Italy" Federal Hill quarter, you'll find a
    gallery tucked into Atwells Ave. that at first glance may look like a gem of
    an antique store. It is, however, one of the east coast's premier art
    galleries for Armenian artists.
    The Weekly sat and talked with Gallery Z's founder and director Berge A.
    Zobian about how Gallery Z came to be and what patrons can look forward to
    in the future.

    Armenian Weekly-Tell us about Gallery Z.
    Berge A. Zobian-Well, we boast that Gallery Z is a fine arts gallery, so
    99.9 percent of what you see is original work. Our niche is to show and
    represent Armenian artists and art works. At any given time you'll see that
    at least 10-20 percent of the art is from Armenian artists. We have three
    generations of Armenian artists on display and I'm very honored to represent
    them. They are Vagharshak Elibekian (b. 1910, d. 1994), Robert Elibekian (b.
    1941), and Areg Elibekian (b. 1970). In August we're having a very big solo
    show of Areg's work, our 65th exhibit. People will come in from Chicago and
    New York to buy Robert's work. He's very collectible. He's in at least 14
    different museums."

    A.W.-Is there significance to the name of the gallery-Z?
    B.Z.-My last name is Zobian, but it has nothing to do with that. I love the
    letter Z. It's the beginning of the end and the end of the beginning. In the
    beginning, we went through kind of a Zorro look with the logo. The funny
    thing is that out west there is a furniture business similar to Ikea that's
    called "Z Gallery." Every now and then, we get these nasty e-mails from
    people saying 'your furniture fell apart in our living room.'

    A.W.-Who tends to be Gallery Z's average clientele?
    B.Z.-Maybe 50 percent of our clients are from Rhode Island. We have clients
    that come in for specific and particular artists we represent. We have an
    element of Agresti-ites [aficionados of artist Francesco Agresti],
    snowbirds, that come from Naples, Fla., for his work. Of the rest, 5-10
    percent are tourists or passersby, and the others follow the track records
    of specific artists.
    Kevork Mourad is our leading artist. He has 113 collectors. Over 40 of them
    own at least two pieces from him. He just did a performance art show for the
    Assad government [in Syria].
    As an Armenian artist, I'm very impressed. Most of his work deals with the
    genocide. It's all acrylic, he doesn't like oil. He's the visual link
    between the Rhode Island School of Design and Yo-Yo Ma's Silk Road Ensemble.
    Another wonderful artist we have is Lara B. (Baldazorian). She works out of
    Oakland, Calif.

    A.W.-Does the gallery have any specific submission criteria?
    B.Z.-We don't accept submissions that are digital, even from an Armenian
    artist. And nothing that could be hand embellished. We also don't accept any
    Gicle. [Gicle is a process in printmaking technology in which images are
    generated from high resolution digital scans and printed with archival
    quality inks onto various substrates including canvas, fine art and
    photo-base paper. ]
    There are a few lithographs that we show, but they're hand signed.
    We advertise ourselves in part by using the computer program Spinnsoft. It's
    been out about six to eight years now and it's a very good tool. We've had
    it for about four and a half years. Any piece that comes into the gallery
    enters our inventory. We do an inspection, a photograph, and it's assigned
    an identity number and entered into Spinnsoft. Then we send out an
    authenticity letter to our clients and dealers.

    A.W.-Do you publicize within the local community?
    B.Z.-In Providence there's Gallery Night. [On the third Thursday of every
    month from March to November, galleries open their doors from 5-9 PM,
    inviting the public to a visual arts party with free parking included.] It's
    an arts organization. This year, we're celebrating its 11th year.
    From March to November there's also an Art Bus that tours the galleries.
    Most of the people come from Massachusetts. They get to pick tours of what
    part of Providence they want to go to and explore the local art galleries. I'm
    the chairman of that organization's board. There are 19 full-time galleries
    involved.

    A.W.-Is the Providence Armenian community involved?
    B.Z.-Over here it's a very old community-a very settled, strong community.
    But when it comes to art, it can be very subjective. At church I try and get
    people involved. I say to them, 'Come in jeans. You don't have to buy. And
    bring your children!' I use art as a medium to promote the culture.

    A.W.-Where did you grow up?
    B.Z.-I was born in Aleppo, Syria. In 1961, when I was four, I moved to
    Lebanon. The real growing up I did was in New York City from when I was 14
    to 21. I spent my younger years in West Beirut, in Zarif Watwat. The
    Homenetmen was centered there. Back then it was the Zavarian organization.
    I went to Queens College in New York. I started an associate's degree in
    electrical arts, and received my Masters of Science from Rhode Island
    College in 1984.
    Between 1978 and 1983, starting at the age of 21, I moved to Camp Haiastan.
    It was wonderful. Manoog Kaprielian was their cook in 1978 and he said,
    "They're looking for a caretaker," so I immediately packed my bags.
    While I was at Camp Haiastan, I took courses in sociology. I was an Armenian
    Weekly stringer for years. I did a lot of work in Lebanon during the Civil
    War. In 1983, I moved to Providence and established a commercial photography
    studio. From 1984 to 2000, I curated shows in Rhode Island. In 2000, I
    decided I wanted to open my own gallery.

    A.W.-What can we look forward to from Gallery Z?

    B.Z.-This year we have 13 exhibits. In September there is a show that
    features only Armenian artists, living and non-living. A lot of the gallery's
    energy has gone into that. Armen Vahramian will be in the exhibit. He's
    really coming into his own.

    From: Emil Lazarian | Ararat NewsPress
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