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    Conversation with Sinan Çiftyürek on the Kurdish question and the communists

    On May we had the chance to talk with the spokesman of the
    Mesopotamian Socialist Party, a revolutionary Kurdish group, Sinan
    Çiftyürek. Although he comes from a different political angle than us,
    we believe there are many interesting issues raised by the interview
    that are of use for anyone in the revolutionary movement. Sinan
    Çiftyürek, with an open mind and a critical spirit, talks of the
    Kurdish struggle and imperialism.



    1. First of all, what's the situation of the struggle for Kurdish
    liberation nowadays?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: In the past the Kurdish national liberation movement
    had an anti-imperialist and anti-colonialist content. The socialist
    identity of the national liberation movement was evident in the
    biggest part of the Kurdistan i.e. Northern Kurdistan. All parties
    and organisations claimed to be Marxists and Leninists. But after the
    collapse of the USSR and the socialist block, these organisations
    quickly withdrew from these ideological positions. It was not only
    their socialist objective what they gave up, but also their
    anti-imperialist aim. Today the Kurdish national liberation movement,
    except for the communists, is limited to the anti-colonial aim. A
    nationality which has to counter imperialism is full of problems and
    the Kurdish national liberation movement has been experiencing these
    problems very deeply.

    2. We have seen some events of repression escalating in Turkey -do you
    think the AKP government or the EU negotiations could play some
    moderating effect over these levels of repression?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: There is an increase in the oppression and the
    operations against the Kurdish people and this trend tended to
    increase in the period just passed. For over the last years, the
    chauvinistic Turkish regime is pursuing an open policy to exclude, to
    alienate and to make a dartboard out of the Kurds. This has been
    stated by the representatives of the highest levels of the state and
    openly continues to be so. The Chief of General Staff, General Yaþar
    Büyükanýt even is stating that everyone who does not say `how happy I
    am to be a Turk' is an enemy of the Republic of Turkey and that he
    will remain so. He also says that a guerrilla cannot keep fighting
    without the logistical support of the peasants and claims that imams
    and demarches are giving logistical support to the guerrillas. If he
    openly and totally takes aim at the Kurdish people, the attacks on the
    people will continue and increase in the following period.

    In this period, neither the new AKP government nor the EU process can
    play a role in softening the oppression. The EU has already more than
    one of its own Kurds. Northern Ireland, Bask Country, Catalonia
    etc. AKP cannot think differently from the army on the question of the
    Kurdish national liberation struggle. The reason why AKP did not
    support an operation to Southern Kurdistan had to do with the nearing
    elections, with the fact that they did not want the army to make a
    final decision.

    3. What has been the response from the Turkish government to the fact
    that Kurdish Iraq functions as a separate entity?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: The Southern Kurdistan is still not able to move
    independently from Iraq, because it is not an independent State. It
    exists within the federal system of Iraq as the Kurdish Federal State.

    Turkey is not able to tolerate even a federal Kurdish structure. It
    continuously threatens it with attack. Over the last years the
    Turkish State has seen the Kurdish Federal State as the greatest
    thereat against itself, because it thinks that the structure in the
    Southern Kurdistan is triggering the national liberation movement in
    the north.

    4. One of the main arguments of the detractors of Kurdish independence
    has been to insist in the fact that it is not desirable a landlocked
    Kurdistan if you can be part eventually of the EU; in what way the
    oil-rich de facto Kurdish state affects this view?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: The question of EU membership is only relevant for
    the Northern Kurdistan, that is, the part in Turkey. It is also still
    debatable if Turkey will gain EU membership. The chances are almost
    equal one way or the other. The EU process creates an expectation for
    the reduction of the oppression among the Kurdish people who have been
    beaten by the State for centuries. But these expectations are also
    melting with time. The fact that the main tendency in the Northern
    part is federalism instead of independence is not something new and it
    not directly related to the EU process, but has been there since the
    1970's.

    Can the Kurdish Federal State in the south became independent and what
    would be the results of it? It is hard to give definite answers to
    these questions today. But I should state what I believe: The Southern
    Kurdistan can affect the north, but it cannot push it on its
    direction! The highest potential to affect and to push forward is in
    the north and it is also questionable if it can really do it. There
    are many examples of different States coming from the same nation and
    this can also happen to the Kurds.

    5. You have said that the interests of the US and the interests of the
    Kurdish people have been in coincidence at points; many people have
    actually singled out the Kurdish as collaborators. But for how long
    you believe this coincidence of interests will last? What role do you
    think the Kurdish question is playing in the war on terror and the New
    Middle East project of Bush?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: Firstly, I should note this: Imperialism does not
    have friends or enemies; it has interests. Its hostility and
    friendship depends on its interests. A friend of the US or the UK can
    become an enemy one day.

    The US wanted to be sovereign in the Eurasia in the 21st century so to
    stand on it own land. In the early 1990's he transformed this into a
    long-term strategy.

    English geopolitics scientist Sir Harold Mackinder said as early as in
    1904 that he who rules over Eurasia will rule over the earth. And
    American strategist Brzezinski notes in his book `The Grand
    Chessboard' that in the 21st century the most important strategic
    reward for the US will be controlling Eurasia. I don't want to keep
    going on. These remarks shape the basis of the 21st century strategy
    of the US.

    The US wanted to circle and neutralize Russia and then China. It knows
    that neutralizing these two states will pave the way for controlling
    Eurasia. The aim of the Eurasian strategy is certain and Afghanistan
    and then Iraq are occupied to reach this aim.

    The US also gave to the Kurdish national liberation movement a place
    in its Eurasia strategy since it is at the hearth of the Middle
    East. It was the US who invited the Kurdish people for cooperation,
    knowing that they have been beaten by the four states and yearn for
    their own State. This invitation had a positive response. The Kurds,
    mainly the southern/Iraqi Kurds, tied to the US against the
    dictatorship of Saddam as `one ties to the infidel from the
    faithless'. The duration of this cooperation depends on the
    developments in the region and especially in Iraq. I don't think that
    this cooperation is durable, but thinking that it will end soon would
    also be wrong.

    Kurdish national movement is an important dynamic in the Middle
    East. Either the revolutionary movement will use this
    40-millions-strong potential for the advantage of the people and the
    revolutionary transformation or imperialism will use the Kurdish
    national potential as a part of its divide-and-rule policies and of
    its aim to rule Asia.

    6. What do you believe to be the main priorities for Kurdish people in
    the current regional context?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: The answer to this question requires detailed and
    long answers starting with the sociological structure of the Kurds. It
    is not possible to do it given the limits of this interview. But I
    can note this: The Kurdish people are one of the indigenous peoples of
    Mesopotamia like the Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians etc. As well, the
    Kurdish people and the peoples and societies constantly interacting
    with one another are one of the creative dynamics in the Middle
    East. Especially Hurris have a historical importance for fulfilling
    the role of a bridge between the West and the East. They played an
    important role in the making of the Mesopotamian culture through the
    interaction with Hittites, Palestinians and Phoenicians and carried
    this to ancient Greece and Western Europe.

    7. Now that can bee seen a number of movements in all of the Middle
    East claiming to fight imperialism and US hegemony -how do you see the
    fight against imperialism in the region?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: The ongoing fight against imperialism in the region
    is full of problems from many angles. `The footprint of the horse is
    mixed with the one of the dog'. Only a revolutionary uprising from the
    depths can win it.

    It is full of problems, because the US financed, supported and
    directed many Islamic organizations in the region during the Cold War
    with the aim of forming a `Green Belt' (Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Egypt)
    to prevent Russia's advance. Today we see these organisations in the
    anti-US front!

    It is full of problems, because the militarist forces of the Saddam
    regime also joined the anti-US front, because the US did not give them
    a place in the post-Saddam regime!

    It is full of problems, because there are no more anti-imperialist
    nationalist movements around leaders like Gamal Abdel Nasser, Mohammad
    Mossadegh, Hafiz al-Assad.

    It is full of problems, because the communist movement is weak in the
    region. This was the political climate which gave the opportunity to
    invade Iraq. Of course in no place on earth is democracy brought by
    tanks and thus it will not be brought to Iraq.

    Due to the reasons I already noted, the struggle against imperialism
    is problematic. The radical resolution of these problems depends on
    the re-birth and development of the struggles of the working class and
    the oppressed people not only against imperialism, but also against
    capitalism.

    8. What are the main features or changes you see in international
    capitalism and imperialism over the last while? How does this affect
    the struggles in the region and in Kurdistan?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: Dear comrade, I should write a little brochure to
    answer to this question. We prepared a manifesto answering it and we
    will soon end the debates around it. After the manifesto assumes its
    definite shape in the following weeks, we will translate it into
    English and share it with the world communist movement.

    After this remark let me explain myself briefly. Firstly, Lenin's
    analysis of imperialism maintains its relevance, but there are also
    some new developments and we should take them into consideration. I
    think that in a short period of time the `Empire' thesis was refuted
    by life.

    Secondly, I believe that globalisation is not something new. Its roots
    are in the past. The comment of Marx that history became world history
    with capitalism explains many things. The capitalist globalisation
    fastened over the last 15-20 years after the socialist block
    collapsed.

    Thirdly, capitalism is not just historically on the end of the road,
    but it also reached its natural (physical) borders. The natural
    resources of our earth cannot carry the weight of the capitalist
    consumer culture. If the whole Asia and mainly China and India enter
    to this culture, the end of our earth will come. So humanity needs
    quickly to throw capitalism to the litter bin of history, because
    capitalism is dragging humanity and the world to collapse.

    Capitalism blessed property and gave it the status of a god, but in
    this process a majority of the world is also dispossessed. Capitalism
    transformed economic work from a mean to an end, but capitalism also
    detaches wage labour from work using technology. Capitalism
    commodifies everything human, commercializes everything that is social
    and makes nature and humans the notaries of the markets. If production
    and consumption were not the undividable aspects of a cycle i.e. if
    the large masses were not in a dynamics of consumption, capitalism
    will not even consider humans worth exploiting!

    9. How do you see the future of national liberation struggles?

    Sinan Çiftyürek: The classical national liberation movements on earth
    were superseded at the end of the 20th century. After the collapse of
    the classical colonialism, the States around the world increased from
    40 to above 200. Since everyone encircle their garden with national
    fences and put a national flag in the middle of it, the national
    independence movements will not be a determining dynamics. There are
    only a few unresolved national questions. Briefly, Asia, Africa and
    America formally gained their national independence, but imperialism
    came back down the chimney after he was ousted from the door. There
    are more than 200 states around the world, but only a few can act
    independently from imperialism. The conflict between imperialism and
    the oppressed peoples is changed after the liquidation of the
    classical colonialism in Asia, Africa and Latin America. While the
    imperialists' openly assumed aspects get weaker, its social-class
    aspects with their economic, social and cultural content loomed
    larger. In the 20th century the determining aim of the national
    liberation movements in Asia, Africa and Latin America was national
    liberation. In the 21st century this left its place to social
    revolutions aiming to economic independence. Briefly, these continents
    are preparing to new revolutions against imperialism and also
    capitalism. The waves from the depths give the first signs of this.

    10. Having suffered a number of defeats as well as changes in the
    context over the last couple of decades, what's the future you see for
    left wing politics? What type of movement and organisation do you
    think is best suited for the tasks you see ahead? I remember we were
    talking of the criticism about centralism and the theocratic
    organisation what I think is particularly relevant...

    Sinan Çiftyürek: I don't believe that history is in search for a new
    way. In other words, the movement of freedom and socialism are
    developing a fight to give again a direction and shape to
    history. This fight is growing deeper and on a larger scale than in
    the last century, just like the development from the 19th to the 20th
    century. I have no doubt of it. Humanity and especially the oppressed
    people are preparing for a final fight against capitalism. We are at
    the beginning of the 21st century and the communist and today's
    revolutionary movement in general should be liberated from the shadow
    of the revolutionary movement of the 20th century. In history, breaks
    and continuities always developed side by side. Every break formed a
    bridge between the past and the future as continuity. Lenin was a
    political genius who could apply the break and the continuity. Lenin
    did not repeat the experience of Marxism in the 20th century and he
    contributed and reproduced Marxism under the context of changing
    conditions on the world and Russia.

    The contemporary world communist movement should base on Marxism, on
    the relevant universal sides of Leninism and the revolutionary spirit
    of the 20th century which attacked the heavens. But it should break
    from the political programme and practical struggle methods specific
    to the 20th century and from the communist structures of the last
    century which became a new social democratic movement.

    We understand the communist organisations of the 20th century and
    think that it should not be repeated today.

    In the 20th century the relationship between discipline and freedom
    was defined as freedom in discipline. But freedom did not find a place
    to live under the limits of discipline. In the party, organisation
    discipline was from outside and we cannot keep it so. We accept and
    aim discipline in freedom and to transform discipline to an internal
    phenomena.

    In the 20th century party structure the determining part of democratic
    centralism was centralism. Therefore the place for direct democracy
    decreased in the organisation. Today the relationship between
    democracy and centralism should be reconfigured to emphasize
    democracy.

    In the 20th century communist movement the center had the status of
    god and the general secretary had the status of the prophet. In a big
    party the base of the party i.e. the body followed the central
    committee or the general secretary, if they moved to a leftist
    position or to right wing opportunism.

    Briefly we, Kurdish communists, aim at a party/organisation strong in
    the body, not in the centre. The ideological, philosophical, political
    power should be concentrated in the body of the organisation. And the
    final decision maker should be the body. We call this `organisation or
    party strong in body'.
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